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hi this is mark o'connell and you're 61 00:04:51,909 --> 00:04:48,950 hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo 62 00:04:53,590 --> 00:04:51,919 podcast it's a news update this is the 63 00:04:55,749 --> 00:04:53,600 friday the 20th of august we're 64 00:04:57,350 --> 00:04:55,759 recording this for with lots to talk 65 00:04:59,430 --> 00:04:57,360 about dan's joining me for this one 66 00:05:01,830 --> 00:04:59,440 again dan how are we hello hello it's 67 00:05:03,749 --> 00:05:01,840 nice to be here again it is dan making 68 00:05:06,710 --> 00:05:03,759 one of many appearances for the media 69 00:05:09,830 --> 00:05:06,720 today he's got fox cnn good morning 70 00:05:12,390 --> 00:05:09,840 america um australian news he's on some 71 00:05:14,629 --> 00:05:12,400 zimbabwean news channel later and also 72 00:05:17,350 --> 00:05:14,639 ucr tonight aren't you done you see her 73 00:05:19,590 --> 00:05:17,360 tonight yes uh 74 00:05:21,749 --> 00:05:19,600 it's ten o'clock uk time i'm not sure 75 00:05:24,070 --> 00:05:21,759 what time that translates to on the the 76 00:05:25,430 --> 00:05:24,080 other side of the pond i mean to be fair 77 00:05:27,510 --> 00:05:25,440 your own that's only going to be 78 00:05:29,749 --> 00:05:27,520 relevant if you've downloaded and 79 00:05:31,590 --> 00:05:29,759 listened to this almost straight away 80 00:05:33,110 --> 00:05:31,600 that's true yeah but i guess it will be 81 00:05:34,710 --> 00:05:33,120 there on the youtube channel for people 82 00:05:38,230 --> 00:05:34,720 to watch if they want to 83 00:05:40,629 --> 00:05:38,240 yeah if it's 10 p.m uk on the 20th of 84 00:05:43,189 --> 00:05:40,639 august you can see dan on ucr if you go 85 00:05:44,390 --> 00:05:43,199 over and listen after this actually i'll 86 00:05:46,790 --> 00:05:44,400 allow you to pause this because it's not 87 00:05:48,230 --> 00:05:46,800 live that's fine actually go travel yeah 88 00:05:52,310 --> 00:05:48,240 time travel 89 00:05:54,710 --> 00:05:52,320 or 5 p.m um eastern or 2 p.m pacific 90 00:05:56,150 --> 00:05:54,720 look at me with my time zones fans and 91 00:05:57,990 --> 00:05:56,160 the rest of the world are really annoyed 92 00:05:59,350 --> 00:05:58,000 now going all right okay so u.s and uk 93 00:06:01,189 --> 00:05:59,360 are the little ones that matter i'm 94 00:06:02,950 --> 00:06:01,199 really sorry i'm not great with the rest 95 00:06:04,309 --> 00:06:02,960 of them i know australia's nine hours 96 00:06:06,790 --> 00:06:04,319 ahead are part of it because that's 97 00:06:08,629 --> 00:06:06,800 where some of my family stay so 98 00:06:09,510 --> 00:06:08,639 that's about uh that's about where i'm 99 00:06:11,189 --> 00:06:09,520 at 100 00:06:13,670 --> 00:06:11,199 but some some quick announcements some 101 00:06:16,390 --> 00:06:13,680 quick announcements um for uk based 102 00:06:18,790 --> 00:06:16,400 listeners um come and say hello to me in 103 00:06:19,909 --> 00:06:18,800 person um this that's that's a really 104 00:06:21,430 --> 00:06:19,919 bad way of actually announcing this 105 00:06:23,670 --> 00:06:21,440 because it's not my thing i'm just going 106 00:06:25,270 --> 00:06:23,680 to be there yeah again right now again 107 00:06:27,749 --> 00:06:25,280 yeah um 108 00:06:31,749 --> 00:06:27,759 ufo unidentified.co.uk 109 00:06:34,390 --> 00:06:31,759 is having a minicon 2021 and preston on 110 00:06:35,590 --> 00:06:34,400 saturday the 9th of october this year 111 00:06:37,590 --> 00:06:35,600 i mean i wouldn't announce it for next 112 00:06:40,070 --> 00:06:37,600 year it's a bit bit early but yeah so on 113 00:06:42,230 --> 00:06:40,080 the 9th of october a couple of months 114 00:06:45,350 --> 00:06:42,240 doors are going to open at 2 o'clock 115 00:06:47,350 --> 00:06:45,360 and there will be a bar as well 5 to 10 116 00:06:49,350 --> 00:06:47,360 and a buffet there's going to be some 117 00:06:51,350 --> 00:06:49,360 speakers from the uk including philip 118 00:06:54,309 --> 00:06:51,360 kinsella dave hodrian and glenn 119 00:06:57,749 --> 00:06:54,319 richardson talking about ufos grazing 120 00:07:00,469 --> 00:06:57,759 consciousness abductions and sightings 121 00:07:02,070 --> 00:07:00,479 in the north and much much more as well 122 00:07:04,150 --> 00:07:02,080 and you can get early bird tickets just 123 00:07:05,990 --> 00:07:04,160 now for only 10 pounds which you know 124 00:07:08,550 --> 00:07:06,000 that's been a big thing recently but in 125 00:07:10,710 --> 00:07:08,560 person conference at 10 pounds get to 126 00:07:12,150 --> 00:07:10,720 here for some uk-based speakers and it's 127 00:07:13,749 --> 00:07:12,160 only a mini conference it's kind of 128 00:07:16,230 --> 00:07:13,759 snowballed last minute speaking to the 129 00:07:18,390 --> 00:07:16,240 organizers um but i'm going to go along 130 00:07:20,469 --> 00:07:18,400 it's a couple of hours for me to stay at 131 00:07:22,870 --> 00:07:20,479 the walmart bridge village hall in 132 00:07:25,110 --> 00:07:22,880 preston so that's going to get announced 133 00:07:26,790 --> 00:07:25,120 officially um later on tonight early 134 00:07:28,710 --> 00:07:26,800 tomorrow and but you know what it'd be 135 00:07:30,950 --> 00:07:28,720 good for people to go along get to meet 136 00:07:32,870 --> 00:07:30,960 up in person and get to get to hear some 137 00:07:34,790 --> 00:07:32,880 interesting speakers and just get out 138 00:07:36,710 --> 00:07:34,800 again and see some people face to face 139 00:07:38,390 --> 00:07:36,720 so after you get a chance to come along 140 00:07:40,309 --> 00:07:38,400 i will be there and i think graham 141 00:07:43,029 --> 00:07:40,319 rendell from uap media is coming along 142 00:07:44,629 --> 00:07:43,039 with me as well i hear um the first 143 00:07:45,749 --> 00:07:44,639 round of drinks are on you and graham as 144 00:07:47,589 --> 00:07:45,759 well 145 00:07:49,350 --> 00:07:47,599 yeah graham is buying the first round of 146 00:07:51,589 --> 00:07:49,360 drinks you're absolutely right i won't 147 00:07:52,870 --> 00:07:51,599 be drinking so i'll be driving but um i 148 00:07:54,710 --> 00:07:52,880 genuinely would like to see some people 149 00:07:57,270 --> 00:07:54,720 if you if you want to come along and so 150 00:08:00,550 --> 00:07:57,280 that's it if you go to ufo identified 151 00:08:02,469 --> 00:08:00,560 dot co dot uk forward slash minicon you 152 00:08:05,270 --> 00:08:02,479 can get the early bird tickets just for 153 00:08:08,469 --> 00:08:05,280 10 pounds just now as well so check that 154 00:08:10,550 --> 00:08:08,479 out and if you go to at identified ufo 155 00:08:12,550 --> 00:08:10,560 on twitter you can see some information 156 00:08:13,990 --> 00:08:12,560 on that from ash as well so please come 157 00:08:15,270 --> 00:08:14,000 along and say hello folks it will be 158 00:08:17,029 --> 00:08:15,280 nice to meet people 159 00:08:19,909 --> 00:08:17,039 in person for like the first time like 160 00:08:20,629 --> 00:08:19,919 that as well i've still never met dan 161 00:08:22,790 --> 00:08:20,639 no 162 00:08:25,430 --> 00:08:22,800 it's a as far as i'm concerned you're 163 00:08:27,510 --> 00:08:25,440 you're a 2d entity in a room to me you 164 00:08:29,670 --> 00:08:27,520 are just a chest and shoulders 165 00:08:31,110 --> 00:08:29,680 that is it um the only person i've met 166 00:08:33,670 --> 00:08:31,120 at all from the whole of the podcasting 167 00:08:35,029 --> 00:08:33,680 world so far is uh graham rendell fred 168 00:08:36,469 --> 00:08:35,039 who we met we met for a coffee a few 169 00:08:38,389 --> 00:08:36,479 weeks ago because he lives not too far 170 00:08:39,990 --> 00:08:38,399 from us so even that had been too long 171 00:08:42,149 --> 00:08:40,000 but it was nice to meet up and chat and 172 00:08:43,670 --> 00:08:42,159 discuss ufos and and all that kind of 173 00:08:45,509 --> 00:08:43,680 stuff as well so please come along if 174 00:08:47,350 --> 00:08:45,519 you can um if you have to travel a 175 00:08:49,350 --> 00:08:47,360 little bit you know i'm sure it'll be an 176 00:08:50,550 --> 00:08:49,360 interesting day and see some interesting 177 00:08:52,070 --> 00:08:50,560 speakers and then share your thoughts 178 00:08:53,750 --> 00:08:52,080 with us as well that'll be that'll be 179 00:08:55,990 --> 00:08:53,760 pretty cool um 180 00:08:58,150 --> 00:08:56,000 on that the next guest on the podcast is 181 00:09:01,509 --> 00:08:58,160 going to be remote viewer clairvoyant 182 00:09:04,470 --> 00:09:01,519 and member of the irva the international 183 00:09:06,870 --> 00:09:04,480 remote viewers association deborah katz 184 00:09:09,190 --> 00:09:06,880 so get your questions over for debra to 185 00:09:11,750 --> 00:09:09,200 ufo uap am 186 00:09:14,870 --> 00:09:11,760 gmail.com or there's a thread on patreon 187 00:09:17,350 --> 00:09:14,880 you can post on as well the irva have 188 00:09:19,509 --> 00:09:17,360 their own conference being held soon in 189 00:09:20,350 --> 00:09:19,519 early september so you can check it out 190 00:09:23,829 --> 00:09:20,360 at 191 00:09:26,230 --> 00:09:23,839 irva.org there are also in-person and 192 00:09:27,829 --> 00:09:26,240 virtual options available and again 193 00:09:29,590 --> 00:09:27,839 looking at it very quickly that i'm not 194 00:09:31,350 --> 00:09:29,600 affiliated with any of these in any way 195 00:09:33,190 --> 00:09:31,360 i'm just kind of chatting about them but 196 00:09:35,350 --> 00:09:33,200 the the events themselves are going to 197 00:09:37,590 --> 00:09:35,360 have in-person and virtual options given 198 00:09:39,430 --> 00:09:37,600 that one's based over in stateside as 199 00:09:41,670 --> 00:09:39,440 well um more guests are going to be 200 00:09:44,150 --> 00:09:41,680 announced in due course including ross 201 00:09:45,910 --> 00:09:44,160 coulthart's much anticipated appearance 202 00:09:47,509 --> 00:09:45,920 and that'll be in a few weeks time as 203 00:09:48,949 --> 00:09:47,519 well and ross did assure me that he's 204 00:09:50,550 --> 00:09:48,959 going to have hopefully 205 00:09:51,910 --> 00:09:50,560 some some more information to share off 206 00:09:53,990 --> 00:09:51,920 the back of what he's talked about in 207 00:09:56,550 --> 00:09:54,000 previous interviews too so i'm i'm 208 00:09:59,030 --> 00:09:56,560 looking forward to speaking to ross uh 209 00:10:01,670 --> 00:09:59,040 and speaking of ross kiltart the bob 210 00:10:03,030 --> 00:10:01,680 fish emails that got sent to me seemed 211 00:10:04,710 --> 00:10:03,040 to have caused a little bit of a stir 212 00:10:06,630 --> 00:10:04,720 online which is interesting you know 213 00:10:08,710 --> 00:10:06,640 never hyped anything which is always fun 214 00:10:10,790 --> 00:10:08,720 and i sent those off to joe murgia who 215 00:10:12,710 --> 00:10:10,800 blogged about it he he wrote a really 216 00:10:15,110 --> 00:10:12,720 interesting piece on his blog so thanks 217 00:10:16,630 --> 00:10:15,120 to joel for that and check that out joe 218 00:10:18,310 --> 00:10:16,640 margie's blog you can find that on 219 00:10:20,150 --> 00:10:18,320 twitter or wherever else you you might 220 00:10:22,790 --> 00:10:20,160 follow him and i know he's posting on 221 00:10:24,710 --> 00:10:22,800 facebook and stuff as well uh bob 222 00:10:26,389 --> 00:10:24,720 himself though has followed up with some 223 00:10:27,990 --> 00:10:26,399 more emails to me which was really good 224 00:10:31,110 --> 00:10:28,000 of him um 225 00:10:33,670 --> 00:10:31,120 i'll be posting the the text later on 226 00:10:35,350 --> 00:10:33,680 today on that ufopodcast.com 227 00:10:37,110 --> 00:10:35,360 if you haven't checked out the website 228 00:10:38,870 --> 00:10:37,120 go check it out and i'll post it on my 229 00:10:41,269 --> 00:10:38,880 little blog section which i've never 230 00:10:43,990 --> 00:10:41,279 really posted on very much just the gist 231 00:10:45,590 --> 00:10:44,000 of what bob shared with me and also i'm 232 00:10:47,750 --> 00:10:45,600 going to share a little story that bob 233 00:10:49,430 --> 00:10:47,760 gave me in a recent email as well just 234 00:10:50,630 --> 00:10:49,440 with talking about remote viewing and 235 00:10:52,949 --> 00:10:50,640 everything i thought it was it was 236 00:10:54,389 --> 00:10:52,959 pretty relevant um and he's his emails 237 00:10:56,150 --> 00:10:54,399 have been pretty cool so the more there 238 00:10:58,630 --> 00:10:56,160 was some more information on it as well 239 00:11:00,870 --> 00:10:58,640 but i'll share those out on the website 240 00:11:02,470 --> 00:11:00,880 so um bob spoke to me about about a 241 00:11:04,310 --> 00:11:02,480 couple of different things and he wanted 242 00:11:06,470 --> 00:11:04,320 to share this topic just uh and it's got 243 00:11:08,949 --> 00:11:06,480 some relevance as well so 244 00:11:10,389 --> 00:11:08,959 in the 1990s i became involved with two 245 00:11:13,590 --> 00:11:10,399 other folks who are looking for a 246 00:11:17,110 --> 00:11:13,600 crashed a12 spy plane um and he gives 247 00:11:20,550 --> 00:11:17,120 you the cia article 125 and some details 248 00:11:23,509 --> 00:11:20,560 it crashed in 1967 near area 51 and the 249 00:11:25,590 --> 00:11:23,519 pilot walt dray was killed the crash was 250 00:11:27,590 --> 00:11:25,600 immediately classified hushed up and all 251 00:11:28,710 --> 00:11:27,600 fire requests redacted so no location 252 00:11:31,990 --> 00:11:28,720 was known 253 00:11:35,269 --> 00:11:32,000 tom mahood and glenn campbell aka psycho 254 00:11:37,269 --> 00:11:35,279 spy of area 51 fame were the other folks 255 00:11:39,750 --> 00:11:37,279 glenn was a civil engineer glenn was a 256 00:11:42,069 --> 00:11:39,760 really it was really a software analysis 257 00:11:44,310 --> 00:11:42,079 and our software analyst and i was a 258 00:11:46,470 --> 00:11:44,320 network security guy all high tech left 259 00:11:48,470 --> 00:11:46,480 brain analytical folks we tried 260 00:11:50,389 --> 00:11:48,480 everything glenn had heard about remote 261 00:11:52,389 --> 00:11:50,399 viewing so we hired angela thompson to 262 00:11:54,230 --> 00:11:52,399 teach us how to do it i mean we're a 263 00:11:55,910 --> 00:11:54,240 pretty smart group i have the effort 264 00:11:57,509 --> 00:11:55,920 ought to net as a pile of top secret 265 00:11:59,030 --> 00:11:57,519 titanium he says with his tongue and 266 00:12:00,870 --> 00:11:59,040 cheek there folks 267 00:12:03,030 --> 00:12:00,880 on the appointed day we were in angela's 268 00:12:04,550 --> 00:12:03,040 living room in las vegas sitting on a 269 00:12:06,230 --> 00:12:04,560 couch as she went through the remote 270 00:12:09,030 --> 00:12:06,240 viewing protocol with us 271 00:12:10,470 --> 00:12:09,040 tom's wife jerry i realized tom and 272 00:12:12,710 --> 00:12:10,480 jerry that's that's a great couple's 273 00:12:14,870 --> 00:12:12,720 name um she was sitting in the kitchen 274 00:12:17,269 --> 00:12:14,880 reading a newspaper with zero interest 275 00:12:19,590 --> 00:12:17,279 and a request a more likely disdain 276 00:12:21,990 --> 00:12:19,600 angela's husband paul was our target he 277 00:12:24,069 --> 00:12:22,000 left the house at 10 am he went to an 278 00:12:25,750 --> 00:12:24,079 unknown destination which he selected 279 00:12:27,269 --> 00:12:25,760 after leaving the house so angela 280 00:12:29,990 --> 00:12:27,279 wouldn't know where he was 281 00:12:31,990 --> 00:12:30,000 at the appointed time of 11 a.m we three 282 00:12:34,150 --> 00:12:32,000 started trying to locate him there was a 283 00:12:35,509 --> 00:12:34,160 lot of grunting and groaning going on 284 00:12:37,509 --> 00:12:35,519 almost like all three of us were 285 00:12:39,910 --> 00:12:37,519 constipated i do love bob fish's sense 286 00:12:42,629 --> 00:12:39,920 of humour um after 15 minutes of this 287 00:12:45,190 --> 00:12:42,639 ruckus jerry folded our newspaper set it 288 00:12:46,870 --> 00:12:45,200 down on the kitchen table and said oh my 289 00:12:49,269 --> 00:12:46,880 god you guys he's at the beach running 290 00:12:51,030 --> 00:12:49,279 around in the sand with some kids 291 00:12:52,710 --> 00:12:51,040 well we see techies had a good laugh 292 00:12:55,670 --> 00:12:52,720 because there is no beach within half an 293 00:12:57,190 --> 00:12:55,680 hour of the house in las vegas woohoo 294 00:12:59,110 --> 00:12:57,200 so we grunted some more and finally 295 00:13:01,430 --> 00:12:59,120 angela said looks like we're not getting 296 00:13:03,110 --> 00:13:01,440 anywhere so i'll call paul she did and 297 00:13:05,269 --> 00:13:03,120 he told her where he was 298 00:13:07,110 --> 00:13:05,279 she turned to jerry and said what made 299 00:13:09,030 --> 00:13:07,120 you think he was at the beach 300 00:13:10,470 --> 00:13:09,040 she said i clearly felt the toes of his 301 00:13:12,710 --> 00:13:10,480 feet running through sand and i heard 302 00:13:13,910 --> 00:13:12,720 laughter as if kids were nearby you know 303 00:13:15,910 --> 00:13:13,920 a beach 304 00:13:18,069 --> 00:13:15,920 it turns out paul had driven to the 305 00:13:19,509 --> 00:13:18,079 nearest grade school parked and walked 306 00:13:21,350 --> 00:13:19,519 into the playground area which was 307 00:13:23,110 --> 00:13:21,360 covered with sand there were young kids 308 00:13:24,790 --> 00:13:23,120 swinging in a swing set and even helped 309 00:13:26,389 --> 00:13:24,800 push the merry-go-round for a few of the 310 00:13:29,030 --> 00:13:26,399 overjoyed kids 311 00:13:30,310 --> 00:13:29,040 tom glenn and i all said oh crap at the 312 00:13:32,310 --> 00:13:30,320 same time 313 00:13:34,550 --> 00:13:32,320 what we realized is that one's mind 314 00:13:36,949 --> 00:13:34,560 absolutely has to be attuned to this 315 00:13:39,350 --> 00:13:36,959 moment to be able to reach deeper into a 316 00:13:41,750 --> 00:13:39,360 state of pure true consciousness 317 00:13:43,670 --> 00:13:41,760 being left brained intellectuals all of 318 00:13:45,990 --> 00:13:43,680 us were monitoring our thoughts ensuring 319 00:13:48,230 --> 00:13:46,000 we followed the protocol maybe try 320 00:13:49,829 --> 00:13:48,240 trying to beat the other two to the game 321 00:13:51,590 --> 00:13:49,839 while jerry was relaxed and not 322 00:13:54,389 --> 00:13:51,600 concerned at all and the target 323 00:13:56,870 --> 00:13:54,399 information throws a flood through her 324 00:13:59,110 --> 00:13:56,880 so dan the reason i share that story 325 00:14:01,110 --> 00:13:59,120 is bob made the point to me that no 326 00:14:03,670 --> 00:14:01,120 herein lies some of the truth about the 327 00:14:05,910 --> 00:14:03,680 existence of ufos who manifest for some 328 00:14:08,069 --> 00:14:05,920 people but not others 329 00:14:09,670 --> 00:14:08,079 if you watch the navy tic-tac video and 330 00:14:11,750 --> 00:14:09,680 don't get carried away with the pilot's 331 00:14:13,350 --> 00:14:11,760 exaltations it's fairly clear the 332 00:14:14,949 --> 00:14:13,360 controller of the tic-tac is playing 333 00:14:16,710 --> 00:14:14,959 with the f-18 334 00:14:18,310 --> 00:14:16,720 it's highly unlikely the tic-tac was 335 00:14:19,590 --> 00:14:18,320 manned similar to the foo fighters of 336 00:14:21,430 --> 00:14:19,600 world war ii 337 00:14:23,030 --> 00:14:21,440 and after zooming off the pilot's radar 338 00:14:25,509 --> 00:14:23,040 screen it showed up again at the navy 339 00:14:27,350 --> 00:14:25,519 aircraft rendezvous point miles away and 340 00:14:28,949 --> 00:14:27,360 thousands of feet higher a classified 341 00:14:31,430 --> 00:14:28,959 point in the sky we now know all knows 342 00:14:33,750 --> 00:14:31,440 the cap point so is it possible some 343 00:14:36,230 --> 00:14:33,760 information was telepathically extracted 344 00:14:38,550 --> 00:14:36,240 from the f-18 pilot by the tic-tac 345 00:14:40,710 --> 00:14:38,560 commander because it knew exactly where 346 00:14:43,750 --> 00:14:40,720 to fly and then hover waiting for the 347 00:14:46,389 --> 00:14:43,760 f-18 pilot to follow up or conveniently 348 00:14:48,710 --> 00:14:46,399 drawing the f-18 pilot's attention away 349 00:14:51,030 --> 00:14:48,720 from the master controller ufo that was 350 00:14:52,710 --> 00:14:51,040 just underneath the sea surface 351 00:14:55,110 --> 00:14:52,720 we need more sightings like this with 352 00:14:57,269 --> 00:14:55,120 human and sensor input data to get a 353 00:14:59,110 --> 00:14:57,279 better understanding of the phenomenon 354 00:15:00,470 --> 00:14:59,120 that was my goal when emailing john 355 00:15:02,230 --> 00:15:00,480 podesta 356 00:15:05,269 --> 00:15:02,240 so again thank you to bob fish for 357 00:15:07,030 --> 00:15:05,279 following up with a nice uh tale um with 358 00:15:08,629 --> 00:15:07,040 a lot of that context behind it as well 359 00:15:10,389 --> 00:15:08,639 dan that's some ideas that we've 360 00:15:12,710 --> 00:15:10,399 discussed before on the podcast as well 361 00:15:14,230 --> 00:15:12,720 what are your thoughts on that it's very 362 00:15:16,550 --> 00:15:14,240 interesting that you put remote viewing 363 00:15:20,069 --> 00:15:16,560 into it because it it certainly touches 364 00:15:21,910 --> 00:15:20,079 on the kind of pan psychism and 365 00:15:24,829 --> 00:15:21,920 you know consciousness first model that 366 00:15:27,829 --> 00:15:24,839 we speak about a lot 367 00:15:30,550 --> 00:15:27,839 um and i feel like maybe he's alluding 368 00:15:33,110 --> 00:15:30,560 to uh uh 369 00:15:34,550 --> 00:15:33,120 i've read this is gonna sound outlandish 370 00:15:36,470 --> 00:15:34,560 but i've read in some places that 371 00:15:39,110 --> 00:15:36,480 basically that 372 00:15:43,430 --> 00:15:39,120 sometimes orbs and some of these craft 373 00:15:45,670 --> 00:15:43,440 can be caused by the person viewing them 374 00:15:48,470 --> 00:15:45,680 um and so it's interesting that bob drew 375 00:15:50,629 --> 00:15:48,480 that connection between them um 376 00:15:52,310 --> 00:15:50,639 and to be clear i mean 377 00:15:53,910 --> 00:15:52,320 that 378 00:15:57,030 --> 00:15:53,920 when people project themselves to a 379 00:15:59,350 --> 00:15:57,040 remote view how that kind of disembodied 380 00:16:01,350 --> 00:15:59,360 consciousness looking at the moment 381 00:16:03,030 --> 00:16:01,360 looks to the people present 382 00:16:05,430 --> 00:16:03,040 um 383 00:16:06,470 --> 00:16:05,440 could be a ufo craft or a noble 384 00:16:09,030 --> 00:16:06,480 something like that i've heard that 385 00:16:10,870 --> 00:16:09,040 bandied around um so it's it's really 386 00:16:12,470 --> 00:16:10,880 interesting connection again it's hard 387 00:16:14,949 --> 00:16:12,480 to take stuff from it because we need 388 00:16:17,110 --> 00:16:14,959 data as bob said um 389 00:16:18,710 --> 00:16:17,120 but very interesting 390 00:16:20,550 --> 00:16:18,720 i thought it was pretty cool as well in 391 00:16:22,949 --> 00:16:20,560 the story that three of them were all 392 00:16:24,470 --> 00:16:22,959 trying to remote view and there was one 393 00:16:27,110 --> 00:16:24,480 serious trained remote viewer and a 394 00:16:28,949 --> 00:16:27,120 couple of guys attempting it and the one 395 00:16:30,629 --> 00:16:28,959 who wasn't trying to remote view but 396 00:16:32,710 --> 00:16:30,639 clearly had a connection with our 397 00:16:34,550 --> 00:16:32,720 husband as the one who just knew where 398 00:16:36,550 --> 00:16:34,560 they were and we've probably all had 399 00:16:38,790 --> 00:16:36,560 those kind of moments in the past or you 400 00:16:40,470 --> 00:16:38,800 know those kind of moments of deja vu or 401 00:16:41,829 --> 00:16:40,480 those kind of strange feelings a little 402 00:16:43,590 --> 00:16:41,839 synchronicities where you think of a 403 00:16:46,069 --> 00:16:43,600 song when it comes on the radio but 404 00:16:47,509 --> 00:16:46,079 you're you're not trying to to control 405 00:16:49,350 --> 00:16:47,519 anything or find out anything it just 406 00:16:51,430 --> 00:16:49,360 sort of happens and that's that's what 407 00:16:53,030 --> 00:16:51,440 happened in that circumstance as well 408 00:16:54,790 --> 00:16:53,040 and i've i've talked recently about you 409 00:16:56,790 --> 00:16:54,800 know ce5 or 410 00:16:58,790 --> 00:16:56,800 human initiated contact for those who 411 00:17:00,629 --> 00:16:58,800 like to call it by its true name or true 412 00:17:02,790 --> 00:17:00,639 form um 413 00:17:05,029 --> 00:17:02,800 and that you feel sometimes you go out 414 00:17:07,429 --> 00:17:05,039 and a very quick whisper up to you know 415 00:17:09,590 --> 00:17:07,439 anything out there simple as that and no 416 00:17:12,470 --> 00:17:09,600 meditation no half hour humming at the 417 00:17:14,390 --> 00:17:12,480 sky just singing kumbaya you know no 418 00:17:16,630 --> 00:17:14,400 psychedelics involved and 419 00:17:17,669 --> 00:17:16,640 something shoots across the sky or you 420 00:17:18,949 --> 00:17:17,679 know 421 00:17:20,470 --> 00:17:18,959 it just shows you that just maybe 422 00:17:22,390 --> 00:17:20,480 sometimes the right person at the right 423 00:17:23,590 --> 00:17:22,400 time it's just the moment is meant to 424 00:17:24,549 --> 00:17:23,600 happen so 425 00:17:26,150 --> 00:17:24,559 um i thought that was a pretty 426 00:17:27,909 --> 00:17:26,160 interesting story and again from someone 427 00:17:29,510 --> 00:17:27,919 like bob fish i really wish you would 428 00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:29,520 come on the podcast and talk about it 429 00:17:32,870 --> 00:17:30,480 because 430 00:17:34,310 --> 00:17:32,880 he's now shared enough with me via email 431 00:17:36,470 --> 00:17:34,320 that uh i could have spoke to him for 432 00:17:38,470 --> 00:17:36,480 half an hour 45 minutes and had some 433 00:17:39,750 --> 00:17:38,480 good conversation but 434 00:17:41,029 --> 00:17:39,760 he doesn't want to he's made that he's 435 00:17:42,390 --> 00:17:41,039 made that pretty clear and that's not 436 00:17:44,630 --> 00:17:42,400 aimed at me it's just he doesn't want to 437 00:17:46,070 --> 00:17:44,640 do interviews or um 438 00:17:47,590 --> 00:17:46,080 interject with the community at the 439 00:17:49,029 --> 00:17:47,600 moment in any way which i've got to 440 00:17:50,870 --> 00:17:49,039 respect and appreciate but he's he's 441 00:17:52,710 --> 00:17:50,880 given us quite a lot speaking not just 442 00:17:54,150 --> 00:17:52,720 to myself but ross coulthard and now joe 443 00:17:57,029 --> 00:17:54,160 margie i was reaching back out to as 444 00:17:58,870 --> 00:17:57,039 well um so many thanks to joe margio for 445 00:18:00,870 --> 00:17:58,880 following that up i will post again on 446 00:18:02,390 --> 00:18:00,880 that ufopodcast.com 447 00:18:04,950 --> 00:18:02,400 um some of the text that's been shared 448 00:18:06,470 --> 00:18:04,960 with me from bob and uh joe done a 449 00:18:08,710 --> 00:18:06,480 really good piece on his blog kind of 450 00:18:10,710 --> 00:18:08,720 putting the pieces together of the email 451 00:18:12,310 --> 00:18:10,720 he sent bob had sent me why it was 452 00:18:14,390 --> 00:18:12,320 important and some of the background to 453 00:18:16,310 --> 00:18:14,400 some stuff within there as well so um 454 00:18:18,070 --> 00:18:16,320 some some really good work and uh joe 455 00:18:19,909 --> 00:18:18,080 margie is also transcribing the making 456 00:18:21,909 --> 00:18:19,919 contact event just now and he's found 457 00:18:24,230 --> 00:18:21,919 some really really interesting stuff the 458 00:18:26,070 --> 00:18:24,240 we managed to fix up joel with a pass a 459 00:18:27,990 --> 00:18:26,080 press pass for the weekend and he's been 460 00:18:29,510 --> 00:18:28,000 transcribing and making notes as best he 461 00:18:31,430 --> 00:18:29,520 can on the the interviewers and 462 00:18:32,870 --> 00:18:31,440 presentations so he's doing some really 463 00:18:34,950 --> 00:18:32,880 good work on that as well folks so 464 00:18:36,470 --> 00:18:34,960 thanks to joe ufo joe good work all 465 00:18:38,870 --> 00:18:36,480 around 466 00:18:40,150 --> 00:18:38,880 dan uh tucker carlson 467 00:18:41,909 --> 00:18:40,160 or um 468 00:18:44,710 --> 00:18:41,919 tucker carlson if i say that in my 469 00:18:46,870 --> 00:18:44,720 english accent um had a tucker carlson 470 00:18:48,710 --> 00:18:46,880 original um he seems to be doing now and 471 00:18:50,390 --> 00:18:48,720 listen i'm going to caveat this with you 472 00:18:52,630 --> 00:18:50,400 have to put the politics from this aside 473 00:18:54,710 --> 00:18:52,640 i know he is a very divisive character 474 00:18:56,549 --> 00:18:54,720 especially stateside where you have your 475 00:18:59,270 --> 00:18:56,559 left and right blue and red you know 476 00:19:00,950 --> 00:18:59,280 yada yada but for the rest of us outside 477 00:19:02,789 --> 00:19:00,960 the us the politics doesn't really mean 478 00:19:04,870 --> 00:19:02,799 much to us um 479 00:19:06,710 --> 00:19:04,880 i'm not political at all i've discussed 480 00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:06,720 that ad nauseum here on the podcast 481 00:19:10,470 --> 00:19:08,160 especially in the uk i don't really have 482 00:19:11,750 --> 00:19:10,480 any interest in it but if someone talks 483 00:19:13,270 --> 00:19:11,760 about ufos 484 00:19:15,110 --> 00:19:13,280 they're 485 00:19:16,789 --> 00:19:15,120 rarely does their background especially 486 00:19:18,630 --> 00:19:16,799 politically put me off what they're 487 00:19:22,070 --> 00:19:18,640 saying i'm just more interested they've 488 00:19:24,150 --> 00:19:22,080 broached the subject and uh well from a 489 00:19:25,430 --> 00:19:24,160 uk point of view tucker carlson is very 490 00:19:28,710 --> 00:19:25,440 much a 491 00:19:30,710 --> 00:19:28,720 pierce morgan type divisive character um 492 00:19:32,549 --> 00:19:30,720 and he does play a bit of a jumped up 493 00:19:33,909 --> 00:19:32,559 volume turned up character of himself 494 00:19:35,110 --> 00:19:33,919 doesn't he you know like stone cold 495 00:19:36,950 --> 00:19:35,120 steve austin back in the days of 496 00:19:39,590 --> 00:19:36,960 wrestling talked about how when he was 497 00:19:41,590 --> 00:19:39,600 on tv he just turned his own personality 498 00:19:42,950 --> 00:19:41,600 up to 11 and that seems to be what he 499 00:19:45,029 --> 00:19:42,960 does as well some people like it and 500 00:19:46,950 --> 00:19:45,039 some people don't but he has put 501 00:19:48,310 --> 00:19:46,960 together uh do you know what off the bat 502 00:19:51,110 --> 00:19:48,320 i'm just going to say a pretty good 503 00:19:53,669 --> 00:19:51,120 piece 23 minutes 55 seconds i think it 504 00:19:55,750 --> 00:19:53,679 was on a on ufos 505 00:19:57,029 --> 00:19:55,760 in some ways dan can i just say this off 506 00:19:58,789 --> 00:19:57,039 the bat 507 00:20:01,270 --> 00:19:58,799 potentially it was a better piece than 508 00:20:02,230 --> 00:20:01,280 the 60 minutes piece 509 00:20:04,070 --> 00:20:02,240 oh 510 00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:04,080 that's controversial i i thought you 511 00:20:07,350 --> 00:20:05,280 were gonna say 512 00:20:09,190 --> 00:20:07,360 better than the other recent things that 513 00:20:11,830 --> 00:20:09,200 we've seen um 514 00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:11,840 i mean it was but 515 00:20:16,710 --> 00:20:14,640 but it was concise right i i didn't 516 00:20:18,070 --> 00:20:16,720 expect it apart from the bit from you 517 00:20:19,750 --> 00:20:18,080 know the beginning with tucker in the 518 00:20:20,789 --> 00:20:19,760 end where he just introduces and does an 519 00:20:24,549 --> 00:20:20,799 outro 520 00:20:26,789 --> 00:20:24,559 there wasn't much of him um it was a lot 521 00:20:29,430 --> 00:20:26,799 of really great people talking about the 522 00:20:32,070 --> 00:20:29,440 subject michio kaku um 523 00:20:34,149 --> 00:20:32,080 you know we had brandon fugal kind of 524 00:20:35,830 --> 00:20:34,159 showed up um even an interview with uh 525 00:20:39,190 --> 00:20:35,840 chad underwood who filmed the tic tac 526 00:20:40,950 --> 00:20:39,200 video um and also nick pope tom rogan 527 00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:40,960 and john greenwald all in there as well 528 00:20:44,470 --> 00:20:43,440 straight off the bat and can i just say 529 00:20:46,789 --> 00:20:44,480 i'm not 530 00:20:48,710 --> 00:20:46,799 always the biggest fan of you know how 531 00:20:50,789 --> 00:20:48,720 john appears in tv shows and whether 532 00:20:53,110 --> 00:20:50,799 that sounds to him or the way that the 533 00:20:55,750 --> 00:20:53,120 stuff is edited you you know 534 00:20:57,990 --> 00:20:55,760 by the by but grimol was excellent in 535 00:20:59,750 --> 00:20:58,000 this i i thought he put up a really good 536 00:21:01,669 --> 00:20:59,760 case and he had paperwork to back up 537 00:21:04,149 --> 00:21:01,679 everything he was saying and 538 00:21:05,669 --> 00:21:04,159 he said something that 539 00:21:07,830 --> 00:21:05,679 everyone needs to understand and that is 540 00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:07,840 that you can prove the cover-up really 541 00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:09,440 easily we've got the paperwork to do 542 00:21:13,590 --> 00:21:11,600 that it's the information behind the 543 00:21:15,029 --> 00:21:13,600 cover-up that we don't know 544 00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:15,039 just them to get the professional 545 00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:16,720 jealousy out the way for anyone who sees 546 00:21:21,750 --> 00:21:18,799 john greenwald's setup of four monitors 547 00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:21,760 a lovely pc and that lovely desk that is 548 00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:24,080 not how i record or dan record so if you 549 00:21:27,590 --> 00:21:25,760 want to support the podcast via patreon 550 00:21:29,430 --> 00:21:27,600 or apple or however you can that would 551 00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:29,440 be much appreciated because i was 552 00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:31,679 incredibly jealous of his lovely setup 553 00:21:35,510 --> 00:21:33,360 he's got there i imagine one of those 554 00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:35,520 screens is just you know the foia 555 00:21:39,669 --> 00:21:37,760 submission website at all times 556 00:21:41,909 --> 00:21:39,679 absolutely it was it was pretty cool and 557 00:21:43,510 --> 00:21:41,919 he does a lot of hard work um to talk 558 00:21:45,190 --> 00:21:43,520 through the basics of the piece then 559 00:21:46,789 --> 00:21:45,200 like they they crammed a lot and the 560 00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:46,799 reason i say in some ways it was better 561 00:21:52,230 --> 00:21:49,440 than a 60 minutes piece is 562 00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:52,240 it was it was pretty quick and snappy it 563 00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:53,679 was 564 00:21:58,789 --> 00:21:57,120 talking head bang bang bang um 565 00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:58,799 definitely for the social media twitch 566 00:22:04,630 --> 00:22:01,200 twitter generation like 567 00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:04,640 not huge big massive drawn out pieces it 568 00:22:08,149 --> 00:22:06,320 was lots of information thrown at you 569 00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:08,159 really fast 570 00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:09,840 like you know if you watched like an 571 00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:12,640 hour or hour and a half long documentary 572 00:22:15,669 --> 00:22:14,080 but you're trying to make notes on it 573 00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:15,679 and you're constantly scribbling stuff 574 00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:18,080 down this was almost like an ideal 575 00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:19,600 shortened down version of something that 576 00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:21,520 could be much bigger and it just hit the 577 00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:23,760 points and for me it was it was a really 578 00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:25,600 good i think you said it then like it 579 00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:28,480 was kind of ufo 101 but it had all the 580 00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:30,240 right notes i had a really good i've 581 00:22:35,350 --> 00:22:33,039 talked about tone before to it um 582 00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:35,360 it seemed like a short you know 583 00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:38,320 serious piece and tucker wasn't really 584 00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:41,760 in it it hit the the cover-up ufos um in 585 00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:44,640 chicago o'hare 2006 i really wish there 586 00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:46,640 was evidence for that you know 587 00:22:52,470 --> 00:22:48,720 footage or videos especially with it 588 00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:52,480 being 2006 i imagine they have some some 589 00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:54,799 radar data classified and there must be 590 00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:56,159 stuff they pulled from that event 591 00:23:00,070 --> 00:22:58,080 probably that that was the first moment 592 00:23:01,990 --> 00:23:00,080 for me in the documentary i was like 593 00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:02,000 holy crap we're only like four minutes 594 00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:03,919 into this thing of 20 minutes and we're 595 00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:06,559 already past the you know the aguadilla 596 00:23:09,669 --> 00:23:07,520 the 597 00:23:12,549 --> 00:23:09,679 omaha and we're on o'hare and we're 598 00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:12,559 blasting past it to other stuff 599 00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:14,000 it was it was hitting all the points 600 00:23:18,549 --> 00:23:16,080 pretty quick um and again even before 601 00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:18,559 that then the tucker got the point and 602 00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:20,559 it was on a voice over of pushing the 603 00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:22,880 fact that these objects are operating in 604 00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:25,360 the ocean and talked about the missile 605 00:23:29,430 --> 00:23:27,520 tests off of puerto rico and with 606 00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:29,440 missile tests myself being pulled under 607 00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:31,200 and that was something luila zondo 608 00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:33,200 talked about on his interview with terry 609 00:23:36,789 --> 00:23:35,039 wurtz the astronaut if you haven't 610 00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:36,799 checked that out you'll have seen a load 611 00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:39,039 of loyola zondo interviews please go and 612 00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:40,640 check that one out because it's an 613 00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:43,200 astronaut hulu has a lot of respect for 614 00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:46,240 and isn't massively into the ufo subject 615 00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:48,720 asking really general questions about it 616 00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:51,120 and being genuinely curious about the 617 00:23:54,870 --> 00:23:53,360 subject and and louis shares a lot of 618 00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:54,880 really cool stuff and analogies and 619 00:23:59,190 --> 00:23:56,960 stories with them as well um and and 620 00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:59,200 military witnesses witnessed a huge 621 00:24:02,310 --> 00:24:00,880 underwater mass 622 00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:02,320 coming up almost like an island 623 00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:05,600 underwater like a big black disk and and 624 00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:07,440 sucking these missiles down into the 625 00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:09,200 water where the divers who recovered 626 00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:11,360 these shells were like get us out of 627 00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:13,360 here um that that would have been 628 00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:16,559 terrifying absolutely terrifying 629 00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:19,120 i mean i i've never heard 630 00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:21,760 mikkos talk about that story but what 631 00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:23,520 what i mean we does he think it's a 632 00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:25,039 magnetic whale 633 00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:26,640 what's going on there you know or 634 00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:27,919 wouldn't he touch it because there's no 635 00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:30,559 data there's no grainy video 636 00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:32,320 and you know what you would have to say 637 00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:34,159 dante with devil's advocate well we 638 00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:35,440 don't know there's no video we assume 639 00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:38,640 there's no video um but if 640 00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:40,559 if there's not then you know it could 641 00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:41,679 have just been in the moment they were 642 00:24:45,269 --> 00:24:43,360 scared it could have been a school of 643 00:24:46,230 --> 00:24:45,279 whales coming up however unlikely that 644 00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:46,240 may be 645 00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:48,240 um our pod of whales is that a skull or 646 00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:50,640 a pod skill a fish pod of whales yeah 647 00:24:54,149 --> 00:24:52,080 yeah i think so 648 00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:54,159 and uh there you go there's some you 649 00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:56,480 know fish stuff for you um 650 00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:58,799 but yeah it's a pretty cool 651 00:25:02,149 --> 00:25:00,640 little event that lou talked about and 652 00:25:05,269 --> 00:25:02,159 straight away bang they're smashing out 653 00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:05,279 and on here um oh here underwood tells a 654 00:25:09,990 --> 00:25:07,600 little story of how he named the tic-tac 655 00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:10,000 based off of hearing was it the movie 656 00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:11,840 airplane he was talking about airplane 657 00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:13,279 yeah there's uh there's a craft crafting 658 00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:16,000 that described as a tylenol 659 00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:18,320 and he just realized that he'd be you 660 00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:21,120 know dating himself uh people might not 661 00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:23,360 get it so he went with tic-tac 662 00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:25,600 yep and look what's happened and what's 663 00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:28,480 been spawned after that um 664 00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:30,640 there were a few images flashed up 665 00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:32,000 within the show and this caused a little 666 00:25:37,029 --> 00:25:34,880 bit of controversy seen online um 667 00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:37,039 where some some known fakes were used 668 00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:39,679 either photographs or videos 669 00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:41,760 and this was kind of addressed i asked 670 00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:43,600 luella zondo for a statement on this 671 00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:45,600 back in it would have been february or 672 00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:47,840 march now i think or maybe even april 673 00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:49,600 where he had appeared on on fox i 674 00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:52,000 believe in a few segments 675 00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:53,520 and 676 00:25:58,870 --> 00:25:55,679 it made immediately the the accompanying 677 00:26:01,669 --> 00:25:58,880 video package with luella's ondo was um 678 00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:01,679 a lot of fakes or drones or cgi you know 679 00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:03,840 i think dan one of them was that ufo app 680 00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:05,919 on the apple phone right yeah and i 681 00:26:09,190 --> 00:26:07,520 asked lou for a statement on that just 682 00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:09,200 was that frustrating and lou said yeah 683 00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:10,559 it was because 684 00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:12,240 it's a lack of due diligence and 685 00:26:16,149 --> 00:26:14,080 research but i suppose you have to 686 00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:16,159 remember that these video packages 687 00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:18,480 packages are being pulled together by 688 00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:20,559 people who aren't necessarily interested 689 00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:22,720 in the subject and they're being told go 690 00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:24,400 and get some ufo footage 691 00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:25,679 so they're googling it they're going on 692 00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:27,440 twitter they're going on youtube and 693 00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:29,120 they just pull stuff together and sling 694 00:26:33,269 --> 00:26:31,120 it in a video package they don't care 695 00:26:35,750 --> 00:26:33,279 about the credibility or genuine 696 00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:35,760 genuineness of any footage or evidence 697 00:26:39,909 --> 00:26:37,760 necessarily so it's one of those things 698 00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:39,919 for now i think we just have to give it 699 00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:40,880 a pass 700 00:26:44,789 --> 00:26:42,799 and and hope that changes as we kind of 701 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:44,799 move forward in the conversation 702 00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:45,170 um 703 00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:46,480 [Music] 704 00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:48,960 robert salas turns up as well uh 705 00:26:52,710 --> 00:26:51,120 discussing nuclear missile silos and 706 00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:52,720 again that's a short snappy couple of 707 00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:54,880 minutes that the these objects have 708 00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:56,240 turned these things off and they've 709 00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:57,600 basically not had control of nuclear 710 00:27:03,269 --> 00:27:00,159 weapons for up to 24 hours sometimes 711 00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:03,279 nothing that we didn't already know but 712 00:27:08,549 --> 00:27:06,159 i think overall this is a really good 713 00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:08,559 piece for people watching this who maybe 714 00:27:12,789 --> 00:27:10,720 have a passing interest in the subject 715 00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:12,799 or maybe fell out of love with it 716 00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:13,679 and 717 00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:15,440 it might pull them back in a little bit 718 00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:17,200 because it was short and snappy enough 719 00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:18,720 to go do you know what let's look into 720 00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:20,480 this a bit more 721 00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:22,559 yeah i'd agree with that um i was i was 722 00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:24,880 pleasantly surprised by it you know the 723 00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:27,760 the end of it basically said well the 724 00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:30,320 burdens of proof is now on the military 725 00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:32,000 to prove that not extraterrestrial i 726 00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:34,159 believe that was michio uh michio's 727 00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:36,080 words um 728 00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:38,000 and why have they why the government 729 00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:40,000 lied about it for so long 730 00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:41,760 you know both very pertinent questions 731 00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:45,039 and both questions that all of us 732 00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:47,200 will kind of get the answers to in the 733 00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:48,480 coming years 734 00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:50,159 hopefully and it finished off i have to 735 00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:52,159 mention it also finished off with a a 736 00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:55,200 piece on uh skin walker ranch so it 737 00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:57,520 really did cover the ground yeah in 24 738 00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:00,080 minutes a really concise piece um showed 739 00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:03,279 brandon and his brother and talked uh 740 00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:05,120 again about the events that have 741 00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:07,200 happened over the years and well brandon 742 00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:09,279 mentioned millennia a skinwalker ranch 743 00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:10,799 going really back into the history of 744 00:28:13,830 --> 00:28:11,840 the area 745 00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:13,840 um 746 00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:14,559 yeah 747 00:28:21,669 --> 00:28:16,480 that was 748 00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:21,679 well done in that short time yeah i mean 749 00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:23,679 this is the issue with short stuff you 750 00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:25,600 know there's always more to dive into 751 00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:28,480 but in terms of going hey look look 752 00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:30,080 are all these intriguing different 753 00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:33,520 aspects you can uh dig into um 754 00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:35,200 the show did a great job in in terms of 755 00:28:37,830 --> 00:28:36,640 setting that up for people and you could 756 00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:37,840 almost pick and choose what you were 757 00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:39,760 more interested in and follow the the 758 00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:41,760 rabbit hole so to speak 759 00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:43,919 yeah i would definitely recommend people 760 00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:45,760 check it out it's it's not going to be 761 00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:48,080 something that shows that you 762 00:28:50,710 --> 00:28:49,440 you're going to learn anything new 763 00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:50,720 especially if you're listening to this 764 00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:53,360 podcast and you that's not to beg us up 765 00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:54,640 but i just think if you're listening to 766 00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:56,240 this you're you're probably well versed 767 00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:58,399 on the subject and if you're not you'll 768 00:29:02,710 --> 00:29:00,480 have heard bits of this i just think 769 00:29:04,149 --> 00:29:02,720 it's worth anyone just catching up on it 770 00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:04,159 because it could be a really good piece 771 00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:05,760 to share with friends 772 00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:08,159 and family um or anyone who may have a 773 00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:09,840 passing interest in the subject to just 774 00:29:14,070 --> 00:29:12,320 go look have a watch at this um because 775 00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:14,080 it covers a lot of ground and i've got 776 00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:16,000 to be honest i think it covered it well 777 00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:16,880 so 778 00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:21,760 his originals 779 00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:24,640 um next up uh i suppose one of the 780 00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:26,000 bigger news stories from this week as 781 00:29:31,029 --> 00:29:30,080 well was the angeli press conference 782 00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:31,039 dan 783 00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:34,000 this caused a lot of 784 00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:36,799 controversy reaction online 785 00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:38,080 um 786 00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:41,760 put online and i think some people 787 00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:43,360 thought i was joking that i had missed 788 00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:44,640 it because i was busy i was in the 789 00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:46,080 cinema watching the paw patrol movie 790 00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:48,559 with my little boy at the the exact time 791 00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:51,760 it was on and um good movie by the way 792 00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:53,520 um 793 00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:55,919 i i saw the reactions very quickly 794 00:30:02,070 --> 00:29:58,720 online and i saw people um commented on 795 00:30:04,950 --> 00:30:02,080 the thread and it seemed very divisive 796 00:30:07,110 --> 00:30:04,960 as to what they thought about it i'm not 797 00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:07,120 going to lie i think i said beforehand 798 00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:08,799 to a few people when they asked me my my 799 00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:10,880 honest opinions that 800 00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:12,640 and this i've said before and i can't be 801 00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:14,240 a hypocrite that if you are an 802 00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:16,399 experiencer uh 803 00:30:20,549 --> 00:30:18,960 that has had any sort of experience 804 00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:20,559 including myself who has a couple of 805 00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:22,480 sightings i i still wouldn't call myself 806 00:30:27,029 --> 00:30:24,720 an experiencer just with the intensity 807 00:30:30,389 --> 00:30:27,039 of the events um i think has to be a 808 00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:30,399 certain level to do that um 809 00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:32,000 there's ways and means to do this and i 810 00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:33,919 just still don't think in retrospect 811 00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:35,120 this 812 00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:37,679 had the the outcome that they would have 813 00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:38,720 hoped for 814 00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:40,880 it just seemed 815 00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:43,200 it seemed a little odd watching it um 816 00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:45,039 the presentation 817 00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:46,480 it just seemed like 818 00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:48,559 and this isn't to downplay the message 819 00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:50,320 or the potential gravity of what was 820 00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:51,840 being talked about i appreciate some 821 00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:52,640 people 822 00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:54,320 really really respected that and of 823 00:30:57,510 --> 00:30:55,520 course you have to respect her for 824 00:31:00,149 --> 00:30:57,520 coming out and from the position that 825 00:31:02,789 --> 00:31:00,159 she has held as an intelligence officer 826 00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:02,799 and potentially has had access to 827 00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:05,039 information that that has laid out led 828 00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:07,039 her to these conclusions and if we take 829 00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:08,720 it at face value that she's not you know 830 00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:11,039 making this up then it's a very brave 831 00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:12,320 thing that she's done 832 00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:13,760 um 833 00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:17,039 but it still doesn't look like a great 834 00:31:23,029 --> 00:31:20,320 presentation and set up and 835 00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:23,039 when it looks so amateurish and she 836 00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:24,320 seemed 837 00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:25,440 nervous 838 00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:27,600 am i wrong dan on that that the way she 839 00:31:33,510 --> 00:31:30,080 was talking it was she's not a public 840 00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:33,520 speaker that's that's fine but 841 00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:35,039 i don't know 842 00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:36,880 so i will say that for me she looked 843 00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:39,600 like someone acting nervous 844 00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:41,279 the the i think so 845 00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:43,440 it reminded me of can can you remember 846 00:31:47,509 --> 00:31:45,039 golf of silence 847 00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:47,519 by mk rhodes i really like that film if 848 00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:49,600 you haven't seen that film it's just a 849 00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:51,279 performance piece very kind of bare 850 00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:53,279 bones it was major in lockdown but it's 851 00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:54,640 about 852 00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:57,919 um a woman who tells a story of being on 853 00:32:02,470 --> 00:32:00,000 the inside of the kind of ufo cover-up 854 00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:02,480 and it's kind of spilling the beans um 855 00:32:06,789 --> 00:32:04,559 but it really reminded me of that 856 00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:06,799 of of being a performance piece 857 00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:10,159 um whether it is or not i don't know 858 00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:11,440 um 859 00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:14,000 i would also say that usually people do 860 00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:16,000 press conferences after they get their 861 00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:17,279 results 862 00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:19,679 um as much as i'm up for you know 863 00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:20,720 telling people what you're going to be 864 00:32:24,070 --> 00:32:23,039 doing that's a good point i i remember 865 00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:24,080 when 866 00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:26,480 uh there was all the hoo-ha over life 867 00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:29,120 being found on venus and those guys had 868 00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:31,200 peer-reviewed papers and you know they 869 00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:32,880 came out with data and results and 870 00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:34,880 things like that and the conversation's 871 00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:37,120 still ongoing to unpack what exactly you 872 00:32:41,509 --> 00:32:38,720 know they found and whether it does 873 00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:41,519 confirm life here we have someone who's 874 00:32:46,870 --> 00:32:44,159 made bigger claims 875 00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:46,880 with absolutely zero data and has done 876 00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:49,200 it before they've gone to you know try 877 00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:52,559 and gather the data um 878 00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:54,240 yeah i would just do the press 879 00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:57,360 conference at the other end but i i'm 880 00:33:02,310 --> 00:32:59,600 open to looking at data that she brings 881 00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:02,320 forward um i just won't let it occupy 882 00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:04,000 much of my thought space until that 883 00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:05,200 moment 884 00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:07,279 and it's a pretty big claim then like 885 00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:09,840 you say that you know basically i for 886 00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:11,760 those who haven't still potentially seen 887 00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:14,240 this um former intelligence officer her 888 00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:16,720 name is anne am i correct is her actual 889 00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:20,080 name anjali is the twitter handle 890 00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:21,919 yes i think so 891 00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:24,080 um and 892 00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:26,480 it's angeli on gaia if you're following 893 00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:28,799 on twitter um has basically claimed in 894 00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:30,480 the past and still in this press 895 00:33:34,149 --> 00:33:32,080 conference that she 896 00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:34,159 is aware of other entities that she's in 897 00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:35,440 contact with 898 00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:37,360 and there is a 899 00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:39,840 mountain base for extraterrestrial 900 00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:42,240 entities in the mojave desert that she 901 00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:45,600 plans on taking a private group to 902 00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:48,720 that's fine but 903 00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:50,720 could that have been announced in a 904 00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:53,360 different way even just on twitter 905 00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:54,320 um 906 00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:56,640 not in a dramatic way outside the 907 00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:59,039 washington monument am i correct 908 00:34:01,990 --> 00:34:00,799 um yeah that's right 909 00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:02,000 and 910 00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:03,279 yeah i mean could she have just done 911 00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:04,640 that at home 912 00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:08,240 if she wanted to be on video to do it or 913 00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:10,480 announced it on a big platform are you 914 00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:13,280 jimmy and it doesn't feel official right 915 00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:15,359 if you're in front of a big wavy flag in 916 00:34:18,869 --> 00:34:17,119 a big important building it makes it 917 00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:18,879 look really official i think that's what 918 00:34:22,069 --> 00:34:20,560 they were going for but do you think 919 00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:22,079 this looked official 920 00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:24,800 no but you know 921 00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:27,520 can i just make the point that any video 922 00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:30,240 of this i've managed to find and grab 923 00:34:34,149 --> 00:34:31,919 looks like it was just being filmed by 924 00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:34,159 someone who had turned up to watch it 925 00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:35,040 still 926 00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:36,879 there's not exactly even what seems to 927 00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:39,280 be the official videos don't look all 928 00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:41,200 that official and are relatively poor 929 00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:42,240 quality 930 00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:44,159 there's a there's a trailer they put up 931 00:34:46,629 --> 00:34:45,679 didn't they and they said that they'd 932 00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:46,639 filmed 933 00:34:51,430 --> 00:34:49,200 it and we'll turn it into a documentary 934 00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:51,440 well yeah that's that's also that it's 935 00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:53,919 potentially a piece that's getting added 936 00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:57,040 into something down the line again 937 00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:58,240 i just 938 00:35:02,390 --> 00:34:59,920 can't help but feel this could have been 939 00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:02,400 done a whole lot better because again 940 00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:04,160 just my opinion not telling people what 941 00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:05,200 to think 942 00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:08,240 this just sets things it doesn't say 943 00:35:12,069 --> 00:35:10,240 anything back that's the wrong language 944 00:35:15,670 --> 00:35:12,079 it looks like 945 00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:15,680 what you would think a stereotypical ufo 946 00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:18,079 press conference or admission or would 947 00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:19,359 look like 948 00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:21,520 from for people who don't have a vested 949 00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:23,680 interest and laugh at the subject 950 00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:26,079 i don't think this helped or progressed 951 00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:27,040 anything 952 00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:28,880 and it could have been done in a much 953 00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:31,119 better and more subtle way 954 00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:33,280 i i would i would put a little asterisks 955 00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:34,880 there and say it could have been done in 956 00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:38,160 a much better little subtle way 957 00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:39,839 if it's true 958 00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:42,400 again you don't have data so and i hope 959 00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:45,119 it is i really i i hope i hope it is 960 00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:47,359 true i hope again this is a woman who 961 00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:50,560 has a family and children and um a life 962 00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:52,480 there as well as this and it's clearly 963 00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:55,520 something that's affected her um 964 00:35:59,349 --> 00:35:57,680 i really hope it is true and i hope even 965 00:36:02,710 --> 00:35:59,359 if an element of this is true it would 966 00:36:05,589 --> 00:36:02,720 be incredibly fascinating 967 00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:05,599 i'm just reserving judgment on until 968 00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:06,560 okay 969 00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:08,640 hopefully we can see some 970 00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:11,040 some hard data hard evidence on on this 971 00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:12,560 because 972 00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:14,480 so far again it's that let's keep going 973 00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:16,320 back to sean cahill in the room 101 974 00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:19,119 special it's that one one source of 975 00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:21,280 evidence someone's came out and said 976 00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:23,760 here's a fact 977 00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:25,359 that's that's it right now it's just a 978 00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:28,000 story my sign is just a story dan you do 979 00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:30,320 some ce5 for hic whatever you want to 980 00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:33,520 call it just a story 981 00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:36,079 yeah and that's that's a frustration for 982 00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:37,440 me it really is 983 00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:39,280 some thoughts of people on online i 984 00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:41,680 asked about to um trevor said that um 985 00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:43,280 he's always skeptical of things like 986 00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:45,440 this but as intrigued she just has to 987 00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:47,440 come up with the evidence now one thing 988 00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:49,119 that was refreshing is she didn't seem 989 00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:50,880 to bash other people's narratives or 990 00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:52,000 what have you 991 00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:53,599 not holding his breath we'll check back 992 00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:55,280 in a few months 993 00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:56,160 um 994 00:37:00,870 --> 00:36:58,000 i am the walrus said i didn't watch a 995 00:37:02,230 --> 00:37:00,880 lot of it she was a lady um 996 00:37:04,630 --> 00:37:02,240 talking about her super advanced 997 00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:04,640 specially and friends 998 00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:06,400 fair enough um 999 00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:08,400 frank from ufo thinker podcast i'm 1000 00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:10,079 skeptical but intrigued she certainly 1001 00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:12,320 comes across as sincere and open the 1002 00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:14,800 whole story currently requires a massive 1003 00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:16,480 leap of faith until there's some 1004 00:37:20,950 --> 00:37:18,640 evidence it's just a cool story and 1005 00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:20,960 let's just see what unfolds rebecca said 1006 00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:23,119 it was compelling people should watch it 1007 00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:26,560 um quantum witch uh said 1008 00:37:30,390 --> 00:37:28,640 out of curiosity um i had all the 1009 00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:30,400 classic parts and experience i would 1010 00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:32,960 talk about but even with the message for 1011 00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:35,440 mankind and air quotes there was nothing 1012 00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:36,560 mind-blowing 1013 00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:38,400 um again a few other people tried 1014 00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:41,040 watching fell asleep um 1015 00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:43,760 post disclosure world ryan ufo jesus 1016 00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:45,839 didn't watch it no intention to 1017 00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:48,079 those are his thoughts so yeah really 1018 00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:50,880 really split some people appreciative of 1019 00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:53,280 the message or the attempt and others a 1020 00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:55,839 bit wary some people just not not having 1021 00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:58,079 it at all so it's it's one of those 1022 00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:00,240 let's watch this space and and hope for 1023 00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:03,280 some some movement forward within this 1024 00:38:09,270 --> 00:38:05,760 i don't see a whole lot of support for 1025 00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:09,280 her from other people that i would 1026 00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:11,520 i would look to to 1027 00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:13,040 maybe on a similar level that would make 1028 00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:14,800 those kinds of big announcements or or 1029 00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:16,560 maybe tag along and get involved with 1030 00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:18,480 that as well i've not seen a whole lot 1031 00:38:23,589 --> 00:38:19,839 of outpouring for 1032 00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:23,599 something as as wild as she's claiming 1033 00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:26,160 no not not really 1034 00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:28,240 but yeah we'll keep an eye on that one 1035 00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:29,760 and hopefully at least hear some more 1036 00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:32,400 about it um next up dan i'll let you 1037 00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:35,040 take the reins uh there was uh some 1038 00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:38,640 stuff posted on online for the aiaa 1039 00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:40,800 am i saying that correct there was and 1040 00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:43,040 you are um the american institute of 1041 00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:45,599 aeronautics and astronautics 1042 00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:49,040 they held a 2021 conference last week 1043 00:38:53,349 --> 00:38:52,000 and they had a special session 1044 00:38:57,030 --> 00:38:53,359 and it's a big deal that they had this 1045 00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:57,040 session um on uap called advocating for 1046 00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:58,800 the scientific study of unidentified 1047 00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:00,960 aerial phenomena technical perspectives 1048 00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:03,680 with a focus on aviation safety so they 1049 00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:06,240 had several presenters um some guys from 1050 00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:09,680 nasa uh we had people from the scu from 1051 00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:11,680 narcap and from the european space 1052 00:39:18,790 --> 00:39:14,560 agency um 1053 00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:18,800 and all of them presented very serious 1054 00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:21,280 fantastic looks into 1055 00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:24,720 different facets of the uap phenomena um 1056 00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:26,560 i won't go into detail about all of the 1057 00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:28,640 talks but i put a playlist together um 1058 00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:30,320 that you can find on my twitter of all 1059 00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:32,079 the talks in order kind of makes it nice 1060 00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:33,359 and easy for you 1061 00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:34,400 um 1062 00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:36,000 but christopher plane and the debrief 1063 00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:37,599 wrote two really great articles to kind 1064 00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:39,040 of look at them 1065 00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:41,040 but the second of which he kind of just 1066 00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:43,760 says the big five points big five 1067 00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:46,560 takeaways from him um of this conference 1068 00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:48,320 so i thought i'd just run through those 1069 00:39:54,829 --> 00:39:52,160 um the first one is the the ia sorry the 1070 00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:54,839 aia 1071 00:40:00,150 --> 00:39:59,040 um uaps are real and a legitimate safety 1072 00:40:00,870 --> 00:40:00,160 issue 1073 00:40:03,030 --> 00:40:00,880 so 1074 00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:03,040 you know we we're past uaps are real now 1075 00:40:07,349 --> 00:40:05,119 where we're starting to talk about ways 1076 00:40:08,829 --> 00:40:07,359 to make our commercial aircraft safe 1077 00:40:11,589 --> 00:40:08,839 against those 1078 00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:11,599 things number two the stigma dan dan 1079 00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:13,839 sorry go on okay just just on that 1080 00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:15,280 speculative 1081 00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:16,960 do you think we have ever had a 1082 00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:18,480 legitimate 1083 00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:21,359 lost aircraft and i mean civilian 1084 00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:23,599 a commercial airliner that has gone 1085 00:40:26,310 --> 00:40:24,800 missing 1086 00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:26,320 or crashed because of one of these 1087 00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:27,839 things but 1088 00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:30,000 we've never had that released 1089 00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:31,280 um 1090 00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:33,040 i grew up with the x-files and there 1091 00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:35,280 were a few episodes of that kind of 1092 00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:36,960 story and 1093 00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:38,640 there have been some inklings over the 1094 00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:40,880 years that maybe the those guys knew a 1095 00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:42,000 little bit more or were talking to 1096 00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:44,160 people that would feed them information 1097 00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:46,960 um so based on that and you know various 1098 00:40:50,829 --> 00:40:48,400 other bits of literature that i've kind 1099 00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:50,839 of read i'd say 1100 00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:52,960 probably okay 1101 00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:55,200 thanks 1102 00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:57,760 just curious point number two 1103 00:41:01,829 --> 00:40:58,960 you make my statement sound very 1104 00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:01,839 definitive now 1105 00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:04,240 i'm getting that posted on a t-shirt 1106 00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:09,030 uh yeah so number two uh the stigma 1107 00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:11,040 around the subject still does exist but 1108 00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:12,880 it is starting to change 1109 00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:14,960 number three without more and better 1110 00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:17,760 data there can be no progress 1111 00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:20,000 number four scientists are the ones that 1112 00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:22,240 need to rise to this challenge that's an 1113 00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:23,680 important point i think because a lot of 1114 00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:25,680 scientists come into this subject 1115 00:41:30,309 --> 00:41:27,520 expecting all of this data to be laid on 1116 00:41:31,589 --> 00:41:30,319 the table for them and sure we we have 1117 00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:31,599 you know some 1118 00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:34,560 evidence that points to certain things 1119 00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:37,760 but this is a point that alludes to what 1120 00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:40,400 avilab is doing with the galileo project 1121 00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:42,400 he's going screw your data i'm going to 1122 00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:44,640 get my own data great cool that's public 1123 00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:46,720 data it's unclassified he can share he 1124 00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:48,800 can share with the scientific community 1125 00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:51,119 that's the way to do it you know 1126 00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:51,920 and then 1127 00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:53,680 chris's fifth point was just that one 1128 00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:55,680 voice rose above them all and that was 1129 00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:58,640 uh u.s pilot ryan graves 1130 00:42:02,550 --> 00:42:00,480 who was involved in the east coast 1131 00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:02,560 encounters 1132 00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:05,440 graves specified signature management as 1133 00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:06,640 interesting 1134 00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:09,520 um that is the the the crafts they were 1135 00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:11,599 encountering seemed to be able to manage 1136 00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:13,040 their signature in various different 1137 00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:14,880 ways whether that was dropping really 1138 00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:17,760 quickly when they flew close to them to 1139 00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:20,720 kind of get a look at them or 1140 00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:22,319 doing other things to make them appear 1141 00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:25,040 to be other things 1142 00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:27,440 he said that the craft were difficult to 1143 00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:29,280 see up close even when their helmets and 1144 00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:30,960 the systems guided them and highlighted 1145 00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:32,560 the target in the air they were still 1146 00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:34,640 really difficult to even visually pick 1147 00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:35,680 up 1148 00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:37,599 he specified that a lot of people went 1149 00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:40,160 out to see them so the video and the 1150 00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:42,800 reports that we have are really just one 1151 00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:44,480 story in 1152 00:42:47,349 --> 00:42:46,400 amongst you know 1153 00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:47,359 probably 1154 00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:48,960 because how many people are on on one of 1155 00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:51,680 those ships we're talking hundreds right 1156 00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:54,319 probably yeah probably a thousand i mean 1157 00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:55,839 sean cahill gary very should be good 1158 00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:57,760 guys to ask but yeah i'm sure like 1159 00:43:00,870 --> 00:42:59,280 collectively with the ships that were 1160 00:43:01,750 --> 00:43:00,880 out there you're well over a couple of 1161 00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:01,760 thousand 1162 00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:04,160 so i mean yeah so that's a very loaded 1163 00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:05,440 statement a lot of people went out to 1164 00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:06,880 see them and we know that those systems 1165 00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:08,400 are all plugged into the ships and they 1166 00:43:11,349 --> 00:43:09,440 could have seen everything that the 1167 00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:11,359 pilots were seeing so that's a lot of 1168 00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:12,480 witnesses 1169 00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:13,760 um 1170 00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:15,920 he said that they would move when you 1171 00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:19,040 got close they avoided contact um and he 1172 00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:20,480 said it was really dangerous to do a 1173 00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:22,079 clean pass because you'd kind of be 1174 00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:23,680 trying to fly by them and then they'd do 1175 00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:25,440 something unexpectedly 1176 00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:27,760 so you weren't planning for it um he 1177 00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:30,400 said he's surprised that there has been 1178 00:43:34,230 --> 00:43:31,839 no 1179 00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:34,240 uh collision already 1180 00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:35,359 um 1181 00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:37,359 and the fact that we're talking about 1182 00:43:42,790 --> 00:43:41,040 access to uh signals data when this is a 1183 00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:42,800 very real phenomena that's out there and 1184 00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:45,040 they can go gather their own data on is 1185 00:43:48,309 --> 00:43:45,839 uh 1186 00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:48,319 is disturbing to graves he feels like 1187 00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:50,400 we're kind of past that point 1188 00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:53,040 we we talked recently done about um like 1189 00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:55,920 a fly and how when you try to swat a fly 1190 00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:57,680 no matter how often you think you've got 1191 00:44:01,430 --> 00:44:00,000 it it it moves 1192 00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:01,440 and you see like potentially from a 1193 00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:03,280 fly's point of view you see your hand 1194 00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:05,359 moving really quickly but the fly 1195 00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:07,440 sees and senses it coming much much 1196 00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:10,240 slower towards you and you under these 1197 00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:12,000 some of these objects especially the tic 1198 00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:13,119 tacs 1199 00:44:16,870 --> 00:44:14,800 if they're unmanned is it some kind of 1200 00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:16,880 proximity alarm or a layer i believe 1201 00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:18,480 some of the word that i've seen 1202 00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:20,560 um on these that it just once you get 1203 00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:23,119 into a certain airspace it's triggered 1204 00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:25,280 into maneuvering and obviously you can 1205 00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:27,680 do that very quickly so you can almost 1206 00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:29,440 be touching it and then it can just be 1207 00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:31,680 gone and you just can't get it yeah 1208 00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:33,760 absolutely um there was a really good 1209 00:44:40,589 --> 00:44:35,440 article sorry the the author name 1210 00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:42,069 liberationtimes.com there was a really 1211 00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:43,680 good article about signature management 1212 00:44:48,309 --> 00:44:45,920 and basically talking about exactly what 1213 00:44:50,309 --> 00:44:48,319 you just brought up the fact that there 1214 00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:50,319 would be a 1215 00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:52,720 vicinity around 1216 00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:54,960 the craft as soon as it's tripped the 1217 00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:57,599 craft kind of go to a void um 1218 00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:58,480 and 1219 00:45:02,710 --> 00:45:00,880 certainly the the flicker rate 1220 00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:02,720 is what we call it when i kind of we 1221 00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:04,640 talk about how a fly kind of experiences 1222 00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:06,400 the world they have a much higher 1223 00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:07,920 flicker rate than us so they can kind of 1224 00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:11,040 see things uh slower and react to them 1225 00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:12,240 um 1226 00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:13,520 but it makes you wonder because you 1227 00:45:17,430 --> 00:45:15,359 could play with that right and you could 1228 00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:17,440 try and figure out where that line is 1229 00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:19,520 and do different things and say okay if 1230 00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:21,200 i zap it with my radar from this far 1231 00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:23,119 away does it react the same as if i fly 1232 00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:25,520 near it or something um and it would 1233 00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:27,599 come up with tangible ways that we could 1234 00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:29,520 study these things without making them 1235 00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:33,200 fly off to 80 000 feet in one point 1236 00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:35,040 or what was it zero zero point two seven 1237 00:45:38,309 --> 00:45:36,560 seconds something like that 1238 00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:38,319 yeah that that article on liberation 1239 00:45:42,790 --> 00:45:40,880 times was uh by bob pliskin bob bliss 1240 00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:42,800 again that's it who is our former 1241 00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:44,720 intelligence analyst in the marine corps 1242 00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:46,640 so check that out liberationtimes.com 1243 00:45:49,349 --> 00:45:48,319 it's on the home page if you if you want 1244 00:45:53,589 --> 00:45:49,359 to see a little bit more of what dan's 1245 00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:56,390 so yeah it was all electrical failure 1246 00:46:00,309 --> 00:45:58,560 talking about faa collecting data with 1247 00:46:02,470 --> 00:46:00,319 sphere cases talking about the fact that 1248 00:46:02,870 --> 00:46:02,480 it is a worldwide phenomena 1249 00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:02,880 um 1250 00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:04,240 [Music] 1251 00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:05,760 and that's kind of everything was 1252 00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:07,440 wrapped up in that but it's a really big 1253 00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:09,040 deal that that 1254 00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:11,760 the aiaa 1255 00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:14,480 is talking about this seriously because 1256 00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:16,079 in years gone by it probably wouldn't 1257 00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:18,240 have even been on the table 1258 00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:19,440 yeah 1259 00:46:26,069 --> 00:46:22,319 and then just as the last thing 1260 00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:26,079 last night avi loeb uh went on i'm gonna 1261 00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:28,720 have trouble saying max's surname 1262 00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:30,000 moskowitz 1263 00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:32,000 i think that's a good attempt yeah cool 1264 00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:33,760 uh he went on his channel for a 1265 00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:35,760 conversation um 1266 00:46:41,349 --> 00:46:36,960 and 1267 00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:41,359 avilab actually kind of threw down a 1268 00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:44,000 challenge to elon musk um 1269 00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:47,040 when max asked about elon's comments 1270 00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:48,480 dismissing 1271 00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:51,440 the notion that e.t is on earth 1272 00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:53,760 and avilab as you would probably expect 1273 00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:54,880 him to do 1274 00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:56,560 basically said well then i have a 1275 00:47:01,349 --> 00:46:58,960 challenge for you fund us fund us and 1276 00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:01,359 we'll prove you right and then you can 1277 00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:03,359 go around and say well you know i i paid 1278 00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:04,319 for it and we looked and there was 1279 00:47:08,470 --> 00:47:06,400 nothing there or if you do find 1280 00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:08,480 something then you that's your 1281 00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:11,359 accomplishment so i would second that uh 1282 00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:14,400 elon if by some miracle chance you are 1283 00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:15,520 listening to 1284 00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:18,560 to my well stoned right now please fund 1285 00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:21,839 avila urban project galileo 1286 00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:24,720 do you think elon musk has that will or 1287 00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:26,640 intent 1288 00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:28,319 to listen to her so 1289 00:47:31,109 --> 00:47:29,599 no i'm kidding i mean i'm sure he's a 1290 00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:31,119 big fan yeah he's on the patreon and on 1291 00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:33,599 the discord chat regularly yeah 1292 00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:39,430 i think somewhere deep down he does 1293 00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:40,960 but 1294 00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:42,880 there's just this straight face he puts 1295 00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:46,079 on because he seems when he talks about 1296 00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:47,680 the way there's certain numbers come up 1297 00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:49,440 when he's building these rockets with 1298 00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:51,440 his team he certainly seems to think 1299 00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:53,040 there's some weirdness in the universe 1300 00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:54,960 so i'd be very surprised if in private 1301 00:48:02,630 --> 00:47:58,400 circles he wasn't a bit more open-minded 1302 00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:02,640 dan that should be all for this week but 1303 00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:03,920 there was one thing i forgot to mention 1304 00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:05,520 to you before the show about talking 1305 00:48:08,950 --> 00:48:07,760 about it's only a little thing um it's 1306 00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:08,960 quite a big thing actually but there's 1307 00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:10,240 not a whole lot i don't think we can 1308 00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:11,520 discuss about it but i just want your 1309 00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:14,880 opinion um bill nelson nasa director uh 1310 00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:17,520 was briefed this week on uap and just to 1311 00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:20,000 remind folks that bill nelson was 1312 00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:23,200 already read into um uap briefings 1313 00:48:26,950 --> 00:48:25,760 before he joined nasa which was one of 1314 00:48:32,790 --> 00:48:26,960 the 1315 00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:32,800 within nasa that he 1316 00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:34,880 he has an idea already of what's going 1317 00:48:38,069 --> 00:48:37,359 on at the governmental level and beyond 1318 00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:38,079 so 1319 00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:40,480 he has an interest in that subject 1320 00:48:44,230 --> 00:48:42,400 straight off the bat so it's not as if 1321 00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:44,240 this is the nasa director being led into 1322 00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:47,040 uaps this is him getting an update on 1323 00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:49,680 uaps which i find pretty interesting dan 1324 00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:51,839 how do you feel when you see nasa being 1325 00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:54,160 kept in the loop in this 1326 00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:56,559 uh great i mean 1327 00:48:59,829 --> 00:48:58,000 i think we spoke about this before that 1328 00:49:01,510 --> 00:48:59,839 classified programs don't really have a 1329 00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:01,520 public outreach arm 1330 00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:04,000 whereas nasa's kind of whole area is to 1331 00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:06,000 talk to the public about space 1332 00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:09,200 and if this kind of work is going to go 1333 00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:10,960 on nasa is a great place for that to 1334 00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:13,599 happen those guys are passionate you 1335 00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:16,000 know they search the cosmos for all 1336 00:49:20,950 --> 00:49:17,760 sorts and i'm sure they'd be stoked to 1337 00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:20,960 find the et was here already um i'd love 1338 00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:22,720 to see their expertise applied and the 1339 00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:25,200 way to do that is to keep briefing those 1340 00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:27,920 guys i i wonder as well because we're 1341 00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:29,280 due in 1342 00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:31,040 34 days 1343 00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:32,880 is roughly the end of the countdown when 1344 00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:33,760 um 1345 00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:35,440 the uaptf will 1346 00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:37,760 give a update to congress 1347 00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:40,079 um i think once three months yeah that's 1348 00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:43,359 right but i think it's clear based on 1349 00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:45,520 the fact that we have that new bill that 1350 00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:47,760 just came through um to kind of 1351 00:49:52,950 --> 00:49:50,960 permanently fund the uap task force um 1352 00:49:54,309 --> 00:49:52,960 and this briefing happening now i i 1353 00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:54,319 think these briefings are ongoing i 1354 00:49:58,309 --> 00:49:55,920 don't think there's gonna be a countdown 1355 00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:58,319 to you know one kind of uber update i 1356 00:50:02,230 --> 00:50:00,000 think this is just an ongoing thing now 1357 00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:02,240 when we're in it um but i would like to 1358 00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:04,400 bring up the fact that it's been 702 1359 00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:07,280 days since susan go undermined the foyer 1360 00:50:10,870 --> 00:50:08,400 process 1361 00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:10,880 um by taking control of it and making 1362 00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:12,960 all departments report to her and have 1363 00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:15,760 like her final say 1364 00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:18,079 how do things change dan so you've got 1365 00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:19,920 nasa who i like you say looks out to the 1366 00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:22,079 cosmos and i suppose for many and 1367 00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:23,440 especially the general public would 1368 00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:25,520 always think that if we are going to 1369 00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:26,720 find 1370 00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:29,839 et um that it will be through nasa or 1371 00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:32,319 some kind of nasa announcement or nasa 1372 00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:35,520 funded program etc etc but more and more 1373 00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:37,119 we're hearing that some of these objects 1374 00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:38,800 more immediately are in the vicinity 1375 00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:40,800 might be under the water 1376 00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:43,200 does that threaten nasa at all that if 1377 00:50:46,549 --> 00:50:43,920 we 1378 00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:46,559 see the galileo project managed to 1379 00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:49,760 get that really clear footage of 1380 00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:52,400 these objects hitting into the water 1381 00:50:56,790 --> 00:50:54,240 do we suddenly change our focus to 1382 00:50:59,109 --> 00:50:56,800 exploring the oceans and in the same way 1383 00:51:02,230 --> 00:50:59,119 we have a space station do we suddenly 1384 00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:02,240 have a massive station underwater like 1385 00:51:07,270 --> 00:51:04,240 you know like the abyss where you start 1386 00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:07,280 to look for these things in a much more 1387 00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:09,200 scientific and heavy way like and even 1388 00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:10,240 even then 1389 00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:12,640 if again we got some kind of really good 1390 00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:13,599 proof 1391 00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:16,480 that these objects were in the ocean 1392 00:51:20,549 --> 00:51:19,280 that elon musk you know richard branson 1393 00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:20,559 jeff bezos 1394 00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:22,400 they suddenly turn their attentions away 1395 00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:23,680 from going up 1396 00:51:27,510 --> 00:51:25,680 and start looking at how they can go 1397 00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:27,520 down and how deep they can go and do 1398 00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:28,880 they go looking for some of these things 1399 00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:30,240 themselves 1400 00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:31,920 the last thing we need is for 1401 00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:33,040 billionaires to know where the 1402 00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:35,200 underwater bases for the visitors are 1403 00:51:38,710 --> 00:51:36,960 they'll they'll 1404 00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:38,720 we've already put up with them barely 1405 00:51:42,069 --> 00:51:40,559 becoming astronauts we'll have videos of 1406 00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:42,079 them running up to the door and knocking 1407 00:51:45,270 --> 00:51:43,680 them running away forget the 1408 00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:45,280 billionaires and forget the billionaires 1409 00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:47,280 but those guys could throw some serious 1410 00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:49,359 money at this so just people in general 1411 00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:50,640 investors 1412 00:51:55,349 --> 00:51:53,760 who could fund scientific and academic 1413 00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:55,359 programs 1414 00:51:58,710 --> 00:51:57,119 because you would imagine let's just use 1415 00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:58,720 the galileo project being the the 1416 00:52:02,630 --> 00:52:01,200 biggest and one in the news right now um 1417 00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:02,640 hopefully more spring up and they all 1418 00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:04,880 get good investment but say they managed 1419 00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:07,119 to find something going under the water 1420 00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:08,640 you would imagine they would be well 1421 00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:10,880 placed to suddenly shift that academic 1422 00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:13,839 focus i unfortunately probably render 1423 00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:15,520 some of those telescopes i was looking 1424 00:52:20,470 --> 00:52:18,720 to buy less useful but 1425 00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:20,480 the idea being that how can we now get 1426 00:52:24,069 --> 00:52:21,920 into the ocean 1427 00:52:26,470 --> 00:52:24,079 they are going under the water just for 1428 00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:26,480 talking sake around catalina somewhere 1429 00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:27,599 because that's where we know the tick 1430 00:52:33,270 --> 00:52:30,720 tacks went so they start firing off uapx 1431 00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:33,280 is focusing in that direction as well 1432 00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:34,559 do we start 1433 00:52:38,069 --> 00:52:36,079 basically trying to get under the water 1434 00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:38,079 to try and find these things 1435 00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:38,800 well 1436 00:52:43,829 --> 00:52:42,240 i mean yes is the is the short answer um 1437 00:52:45,910 --> 00:52:43,839 but nasa wouldn't be completely 1438 00:52:47,910 --> 00:52:45,920 defuncting in that kind of situation 1439 00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:47,920 anyway because they do have a lot of 1440 00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:50,400 systems to point back at earth and they 1441 00:52:53,349 --> 00:52:51,760 track things like the weather and they 1442 00:52:56,790 --> 00:52:53,359 work in conjunction with other 1443 00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:56,800 departments to kind of feed them data um 1444 00:53:01,589 --> 00:52:58,240 from the satellites that are kind of 1445 00:53:03,430 --> 00:53:01,599 nasa's domain so you know they they will 1446 00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:03,440 be able to help with something like that 1447 00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:05,280 but you're right we we'd have to start 1448 00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:06,960 looking at what is i think it's their 1449 00:53:11,829 --> 00:53:09,680 noaa they kind of look under the ocean 1450 00:53:12,829 --> 00:53:11,839 and there's a lot of kind of secrecy 1451 00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:12,839 about 1452 00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:15,920 exactly how they and i'm kind of doing 1453 00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:17,760 apostrophes here but you guys can't see 1454 00:53:23,349 --> 00:53:19,119 me um 1455 00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:23,359 how they see under the ocean um 1456 00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:24,960 probably because they track submarines 1457 00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:26,800 for foreign adversary submarines and 1458 00:53:31,190 --> 00:53:29,280 things like that um 1459 00:53:33,190 --> 00:53:31,200 so there's kind of a major shift that 1460 00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:33,200 would have to happen you know for that 1461 00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:34,800 to start being explored properly in that 1462 00:53:38,470 --> 00:53:36,480 way as well 1463 00:53:40,630 --> 00:53:38,480 but over the past few years thanks to 1464 00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:40,640 the wonderful james cameron there have 1465 00:53:44,309 --> 00:53:42,480 been a lot of advancements in underwater 1466 00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:44,319 exploring you know he did the people 1467 00:53:48,069 --> 00:53:45,839 probably know that he did the titanic 1468 00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:48,079 thing but there have been a lot more 1469 00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:50,559 after that that make exploring under the 1470 00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:52,800 ocean a lot easier and a lot more people 1471 00:53:56,549 --> 00:53:54,240 are going than ever 1472 00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:56,559 every year now um and it's really 1473 00:53:59,349 --> 00:53:57,839 impressive and these things don't look 1474 00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:59,359 like submarines they kind of look like 1475 00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:01,440 walking cupboards with the portals on 1476 00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:03,520 top um 1477 00:54:06,390 --> 00:54:04,800 but 1478 00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:06,400 the research is being done and it would 1479 00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:08,240 go to people like that 1480 00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:10,400 um 1481 00:54:13,990 --> 00:54:12,000 it would be interesting to see something 1482 00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:14,000 like the abyss being made 1483 00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:16,319 um as in the underwater station but it 1484 00:54:21,910 --> 00:54:19,040 also kind of terrifies me a little bit 1485 00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:21,920 can i end on a really speculative story 1486 00:54:24,790 --> 00:54:23,440 and this is true go for 1487 00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:24,800 it's true in the sense that the story 1488 00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:26,240 was told to me when i was younger as a 1489 00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:29,760 child okay so my my mum for a short time 1490 00:54:35,829 --> 00:54:33,040 um when i was a kid dated a guy who was 1491 00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:35,839 a operator sonar operator on a nuclear 1492 00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:37,440 submarine obviously be living in 1493 00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:39,359 scotland you have fast lane which is 1494 00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:41,200 where a lot of the nuclear submarines 1495 00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:43,920 are are based um very controversially of 1496 00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:45,680 course but that's that's where they are 1497 00:54:49,750 --> 00:54:48,079 and i remember one night 1498 00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:49,760 he told me i asked him having an 1499 00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:52,640 interest at that age and ufos and aliens 1500 00:54:56,549 --> 00:54:54,400 and mysteries and loch ness i've talked 1501 00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:56,559 about all that stuff um could you tell 1502 00:54:59,589 --> 00:54:58,240 me any cool stories and he said well 1503 00:55:01,990 --> 00:54:59,599 obviously you've got like the secrets 1504 00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:02,000 act and all that kind of stuff i was 1505 00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:03,119 like yeah but there must be something 1506 00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:04,960 like interesting stuff happens and he 1507 00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:06,160 was like yeah there's a few things they 1508 00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:08,240 told me one story about once they came 1509 00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:10,160 up in florida they'd been kind of they 1510 00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:11,760 said they used to get bumped sometimes 1511 00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:13,520 off of like whales and things like that 1512 00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:15,680 not the country as you know the animal 1513 00:55:19,829 --> 00:55:17,760 um and they 1514 00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:19,839 um would be fine it just happened now 1515 00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:22,079 and again but one time they came up in 1516 00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:24,559 florida and this huge claw was on the on 1517 00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:26,480 the side or stuck on the submarine and 1518 00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:28,079 it was taken away by the military and 1519 00:55:31,349 --> 00:55:29,760 stuff which it could have just been a 1520 00:55:33,589 --> 00:55:31,359 story but it was quite interesting 1521 00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:33,599 however he did say there were there was 1522 00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:35,680 one occasion where really really deep 1523 00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:37,440 down in the water is about as deep as 1524 00:55:41,109 --> 00:55:39,680 the submarines would go they were out in 1525 00:55:42,790 --> 00:55:41,119 the middle of wherever they were bear in 1526 00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:42,800 mind folks this was 20 years ago i was 1527 00:55:47,990 --> 00:55:45,599 told this now more than that actually um 1528 00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:48,000 and on the side of the submarine from 1529 00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:50,640 outside something was tapping in like a 1530 00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:52,160 number sequence 1531 00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:54,079 just from the outside of the submarine 1532 00:55:59,030 --> 00:55:55,599 and they could they could work out from 1533 00:56:02,470 --> 00:56:00,870 on just outside of the hull 1534 00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:02,480 deep down in the ocean 1535 00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:05,119 nothing on nothing on their stuff and 1536 00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:06,960 they said yeah they had weird incidents 1537 00:56:09,750 --> 00:56:08,400 like that on the submarine i've always 1538 00:56:11,589 --> 00:56:09,760 kept that with me and hoping that was 1539 00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:11,599 that was definitely true i can i can 1540 00:56:15,829 --> 00:56:13,760 deal with like shadow people you know 1541 00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:15,839 being in my room maybe or et showing up 1542 00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:17,839 but i'm not gonna sleep tonight after 1543 00:56:20,789 --> 00:56:19,280 that story 1544 00:56:22,549 --> 00:56:20,799 yeah it's pretty cool though isn't it 1545 00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:22,559 imagine down there something being like 1546 00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:24,160 how do we communicate tap some numbers 1547 00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:26,480 like prime numbers type of sequence into 1548 00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:28,640 the side of the side of the boat 1549 00:56:32,069 --> 00:56:30,400 submarine but yeah 1550 00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:32,079 dan thanks for joining me 1551 00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:34,079 thank you that that sorry that story is 1552 00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:36,400 repeating on me i enjoyed it yeah more 1553 00:56:40,789 --> 00:56:38,640 tales from the crypt next week and uh 1554 00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:40,799 again folks lots of shows coming up over 1555 00:56:43,910 --> 00:56:42,079 the next couple of weeks thanks for all 1556 00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:43,920 the great 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